(Pumpkin courtesy of /film.)
Onyx, Cake Man - you can stop drooling now.
Friday, October 31, 2008
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48 comments:
That predator pumpkin is bad ass. Probably scares the shit out of kids too.
Awesome. Why didn't I think of that? Joker pumpkin = evil incarnate.
P.S. Onyx, The Dark Knight > Predator.
As a movie, I value the original Predator more than The Dark Knight. Predator was the good old days where they went out to shoot in the shit with a real action star. You made your thrills on set with sweat, film, and explosives, not in a studio with computers and green screen.
In terms of characters, sure Batman is deeper and more complex (and kinda emo if you ask me). But the predator would take him out no problem. The very most that Batman could hope for is to able to react fast enough to see the face of his killer before everything goes dark.
Y'know, there's already an answer to this debate:
http://www.amazon.com/Superman-Batman-Predator-Graphic-Novels/dp/1401213286/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1225479682&sr=8-2
Er, link went screwy.
Batman's fought Predator.
Suckerman? Cake Man? Who won?
That might be one of the 3 Batman books I haven't read.
And Onxy, emo Batman? Are you sure you're not getting TDK confused with Spider-Man 3? If you meant what you said, then I fear we have to duel.
First off, guess who's responsible for that comic. DC. It's just propaganda, like during WWII when the Nazis blared announcements to the dug in Americans that all their allies had been defeated and America was next. Just ain't true.
Secondly, Bruce Wayne is a very emo character. Don't get me wrong, emo can be cool at times. But anybody who is going to run away from home and his pain to wander the world can't avoid the label of emo.
Did I mention he dresses from head to toe in tight black clothes?
You're looking pretty emo yourself there, Onyx ol' boy.
My character isn't dressed in black, my character is black.
Fight! Fight!
I...love Batman. I enjoyed Dark Knight. But Batman is kind of emo. Doesn't change the fact that he still kicks ass.
But "Batman is emo." I win.
Sorry, that was a misquote. I saw what I wanted to see.
Et tu, DOA?
And DOA enters the ring! WHOOOOO! SHIT GOES NUTS
Actually, the Predator/Batman crossovers were done in conjunction with Dark Horse. And Batman won.
Oh snap, Onyx. It's on paper. Your boy goes DOWN!
I don't acknowledge Dark Horse. They are the Israel to my Ahmadinejad. The original authority on Predator are brothers Jim and John Thomas. If they say Batman would win in a fight, then I will call Batman king.
Well, the Dark Horse comics were approved by the studio that produced the movie. It's also a safe bet they had script/storyline approval, too.
Wait a second. I just went on Wikipedia to check this out. First off, I'm on Batman's side. Having said that, I dont' think it's a fair fight. The fight was set in Gotham. Has Batman lost any fight in Gotham? If this was in Central America, the outcome might have been different.
Batman's lost numerous fights in Gotham. His back was broken in his own home, for example.
Sounds like execs writing fat checks to one another. Again, doubt the original creators had any say. See Cake Man, this is why you can't let any studio buy your characters. Before you know it they'll be getting smacked around by Barbie.
And yeah DOA. You are very right. Put Batman in a jungle and he stands even less of a chance.
Batman's fought and won a number of battles in Central America. He's even beaten up the aliens from ALIEN in space.
As for creator approval, I doubt the PREDATOR team had no input on the comics.
From Wiki:
"Batman, nowhere near healed but able to walk, plans one last face-to-face match with the Predator, using a specially-designed sonar suit to increase his strength and compensate for the Predator's stealth technology. After a prolonged battle, beginning on the roof of the Gotham City Police Department and ending on the outskirts of Wayne Manor (after a brief scuffle in the Batcave), Batman defeats the Predator, which subsequently kills itself after its ship has landed."
Coincidentally, Batman beat the ALIENS in Central America.
Batman's fought a number of fights in South America, in the Middle East, Australia, even North Africa (not to mention all the battles he's been involved in in space with the Justice League). Location is no obstacle.
Wow. Nice research, Suckerman. Or... did you know that all... already?
Propaganda and more propaganda. Batman is a beloved American hero. Predator is a villain from outer space. It's in the interest of America to discredit the Predators and how awesome they really are. But when it comes to a one on one, a skilled Predator vs Batman, all they find of Bruce Wayne is a skinned corpse without a skull and spine. If Predators were from America, they would never die.
No research required. I went to Wiki for corroboration, though.
Onyx, let's recap: So far, there are a half dozen comics detailing (and approved by the studio that made PREDATOR, which is tacit approval from the filmmakers, natch) how Batman would beat Predator in battle. There isn't any comparable evidence saying otherwise. It's not really propaganda if both sides agree to it, is it? BATMAN WINS.
End of discussion.
And, if for some reason you're not appeased, Onyx, just look at the numbers. Not only did Batman beat Predator in a fight, he clobbered him at the box office. Many times over.
Does it sting?
I'm obviously outnumbered here. I will not be able to convince you that a skilled predator would kill Batman, and you will not convince me that Batman can kill a skilled Predator. All I know is, a Predator is trained from childhood to hunt and to kill. Batman is weak in that he does not like killing. He hesitates and he hesitated in Dark Knight when charging joker on the motorcycle. He crashed and was at the Joker's mercy. The only thing that saved him was Gordon. Batman is not a killer. When it comes to life and death, I'm going to put my money on the killer.
Never in my life did I expect this when I posted those images. I've created a monster!
slow afternoon, huh?
I know this conversation ended 4 days ago, but I'm a slow blogger. I still feel the need to reflect on the situation and cast my vote.
I thought the predator died at the hands of Arnold Schwarzenegger. I now see that this is false, especially considering the sequels... So if Arnie was able to smack him down long enough to get away, doesn't that mean Batman can do the same thing? Sure Batman and Arnie can win "battles" with the predator, but won't the predator outlive them both and eventually win the war?
Thanks for breathing life back into this monster Sara. Arnold did in fact kill a predator back in the 1987 movie. But predators are a race of hunters and they can't get enough mayhem on Earth, so they keep coming back, much to my delight.
I give Arnold's character much props for downing a predator, more credit than I give Batman. I just can't get my head around Bruce Wayne taking a predator out. I just can't. Good luck convincing these guys that anything can beat Batman.
If Arnold can take him down, Bats certainly can.
We can solve all of this with math here, everyone. (Hi Sara!)
We know that it holds true that Arnie > Predator.
In the spectacular 1997 film "Batman and Robin", directed by the great Joel Schumacher, we saw Batman beat the hell out of Mr. Freeze, played by the one Mr. Schwarzenegger.
It's been a while since algebra, but if:
Batman > Arnie,
and
Arnie > Predator,
then
Batman > Predator.
Case closed?
Daaaamn, son. The transitional property settles it. Sorry, Onyx, better luck with your next hero.
You guys disappoint me. You are comparing an actor to a character. A fair comparison would be Arnold vs Christian Bale. Arnold at the time of the Predator would have demolished the Bale of today. It would have been pathetic to watch. Even if it was the Arnold of today vs Bale, I'd still probably put my money on the governator.
The way to look at it is Arnold's character (Dutch) vs Batman. In the fantasy land of Gotham, sure, Batman could probably swoop out of nowhere and defy the laws of physics and use his toys to subdue Dutch. But in the more realistic world of Predator, Batman would just be a rich boy in a costume and Dutch would tear him a new one.
But Dutch isn't *real* !
Are you suggesting that Batman is real?
I'm going to defer to Cake Man for that question.
Onyx, I think the fact of the matter is that, to deviate from the real or not real discussion,
Batman has beaten Superman. Superman has beaten a Predator. Ergo, Batman can beat a Predator.
And Batman HAS beaten a Predator.
Batman has beaten Superman? You guys don't think DC (and most of the world) might be giving Batman a little too much credit?
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